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#169611 - 01/11/20 04:54 PM Re: Iran [Re: Dan Simmons]
jmill Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dan Simmons
Dan S. comments:

A ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee explained on Thursday afternoon that the Iranians shooting down the Ukraine jet just outside of Tehran was the fault of Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/121543...Ybt4EoIbLUpTK3w





What a shock! A Democrat blaming Trump for Iranian incompetence!

I've met Jackie Speier (and she pronounces it "spear", not "spire"). As one of his aides at the time, she was on the tarmac in Guyana when the Jonestown loonies gunned down Congressman Leo Ryan. She was also shot. You'd think her personal experience with evil would have caused her to see the world for what it is. Apparently not. I didn't care for her attitude when I met her, she was a smug prima donna.


Edited by jmill (01/11/20 05:00 PM)
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#169612 - 01/12/20 09:10 PM Re: Iran [Re: springer2]
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 Originally Posted By: springer2
Also, while bombing our bases in Iraq is clearly an act of war, so is killing a general in another country's military. You couldn't have expected any other response from Iran. I don't know why everyone seems so surprised at this retaliation.

I've long believed that the integrity of most public officials is suspect at best, so it's no surprise to me, but the partisanship and hypocritical nature of politicians on both sides is mind-boggling to me.

Springer
"Acts of war" is a fairly archaic concept dating from the airtight nationalism of the century before last and pretty much losing all meaning - like the term "declaration of war" - once the Cold War started. Certainly since the 1970s the concept has no meaning wrt Iran and the US, who have been committing Acts of war of one sort or another against each other on an almost annual basis. It makes for great rhetoric amongst the political class, but it carries very little load in the real world.

Iran is getting a taste of its own medicine in the same way Obama "assassinated" (to use the latest bumper sticker terminology in current favour with the socialists) you-know-who, and it's long overdue. Iran's tepid response by firing little missiles at pretty much nothing in a proxy nation demonstrates beyond anything else that A) relatively speaking they have no real power, B) they understand they have no power, and C) they acknowledge they have no power. Shooting down an airliner is more likely a failure to understand FF technology than it is some kind of challenge.

Trump is being far more circumspect than I would be in his position. That's for sure.
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#169613 - 01/13/20 11:02 PM Re: Iran [Re: ScottSA]
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Good to see you posting here, Scott. By the way, what is FF technology?
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#169614 - 01/14/20 02:54 PM Re: Iran [Re: Enright]
ScottSA Offline
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IFF - it identifies "unfriendly" aircraft, but its absence doesn't necessarily mean enemy unless in a hot war zone. Or unless you're manning Iranian anti-aircraft, apparently.
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#169615 - 01/15/20 11:59 AM Re: Iran [Re: ScottSA]
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Oops I mean it identifies 'friendly' aircraft.
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