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#169469 - 12/17/19 02:45 AM William Webster speaks up
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"I Headed the F.B.I. and C.I.A. There’s a Dire Threat to the Country I Love." – William Webster

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/opinion/FBI-Trump-russia-investigation.html

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#169470 - 12/17/19 06:00 AM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Shrike1]
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I would expect Mr. Webster to be a little embarrassed to mention Hoover in this context, a man well known for spying on American citizens without authorization from anyone whatsoever. Also, and I could be wrong here, but I would think the purpose of a 10-year term limit for directors would be seen as a curtailment after Hoover's 48-years in that capacity.

Edited by Mike F (12/17/19 06:01 AM)
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#169471 - 12/17/19 03:33 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Mike F]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike F
I would expect Mr. Webster to be a little embarrassed to mention Hoover in this context, a man well known for spying on American citizens without authorization from anyone whatsoever. Also, and I could be wrong here, but I would think the purpose of a 10-year term limit for directors would be seen as a curtailment after Hoover's 48-years in that capacity.


The way I read it, that's exactly what Mr. Webster was saying. After Hoover's 48 years and all of his abuses, making it a 10 year term limit would go a long way to avoid someone else ever wielding that much power for that long.

His criticism of Atty. Gen. William Barr and former Mayor Giuliani are spot on as well.

Giuliani is a gift that keeps on giving. Every time he opens his mouth confessions fly out.

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#169472 - 12/17/19 07:37 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Shrike1]
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Sticking to the gist of this letter, I don't feel the same sentimentality towards the FBI as Webster. Nor do I agree that it being held to account for potential, and what I consider extremely egregious, abuses is "a dire threat to the country" as if it were a Constitutionally enshrined institution. I find the idea ridiculous given the FBI's history.
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#169473 - 12/17/19 09:31 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Mike F]
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The dire threat to the country is rogue FBI officials doing everything in their power to stop a duly elected president from serving his term. People will be going to prison before this is all over, and it isn't going to be Trump or Giuliani, it's going to be FBI folks who deceived FISA courts and spied on American citizens for the express purpose of derailing a presidency.

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#169474 - 12/18/19 12:31 AM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: jmill]
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The dire threat to our country comes from the very top of the government. The corrupt, incompetent wannabe dictator like his puppet master, Vladimir Putin.

There may be one FBI agent that winds up in jail for altering a document and that is exactly the punishment he should get. All of these problems with the FISA court were related to the Carter Page warrant and occurred months after the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into the Russian – Trump connections.

The Justice Department's Inspector General says the FBI was justified in opening the investigation in 2016 into suspected ties between U.S. President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russia, saying officials had enough evidence to authorize an inquiry. They would have been negligent if they hadn't done an investigation.

I'm willing to bet Giuliani ends up in jail before any of the top FBI officials like James Comey, McCabe or the lovers trump loves to talk about. Trump, if there's any justice in the world, will be facing possible jail time after he serves his term for being "Individual 1" in the Michael Cohen criminal case. He is serving jail time now, in part, because he followed DT's orders to pay off a porn star. Remember this:

“I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said, reading from his prepared statement. “And for the record: ‘Individual 1’ is Donald J. Trump.”

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#169475 - 12/18/19 03:31 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Shrike1]
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I can appreciate your frustration with the latter scandal you've mentioned and any boorish behavior that regularly surfaces from the president these days. I'm nonetheless well prepared to have the Russian asset wildcard that's regularly used against conservative figures (and evidently liberal congresswomen on occasion) filed away with all of the identity-based black sheep tags that the far left enjoys stapling on its opposition. If two years of investigation couldn't make the link, I doubt labeling Putin as Trump's puppet master is reasonable, and this statement unfortunately prefaced everything you placed below. I suppose my sensibilities to these claims have been hardened enough that I was willing to read past it.

I'm sure we're in agreement that any guilty public figures should be appropriately prosecuted in the face of clear evidence, but it might pay to be less hasty to extrapolate such evidence on the basis of one's leanings.


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#169478 - 12/18/19 04:56 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Epo9]
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 Originally Posted By: Epo9
I can appreciate your frustration with the latter scandal you've mentioned and any boorish behavior that regularly surfaces from the president these days. I'm nonetheless well prepared to have the Russian asset wildcard that's regularly levied against conservative figures (and evidently liberal senators on occasion) filed away with all of the identity-based black sheep tags that the far left enjoys stapling on its opposition. If two years of investigation couldn't make the link, I doubt labeling Putin as Trump's puppet master is reasonable, and this statement unfortunately prefaced everything you placed below. I suppose my sensibilities to these claims have been hardened enough that I was willing to read past it.

I'm sure we're in agreement that any guilty public figures should be appropriately prosecuted in the face of clear evidence, but it might pay to be less hasty to extrapolate such evidence on the basis of one's leanings.


This response to me could just as easily have been in response to others in this thread who have already (without any evidence), thrown others in jail.

Perhaps your leanings blocked your view of their posts?

There was plenty of linkage in those two years of investigation. Just not enough to prove a criminal conspiracy. And DT's own actions during his presidency show just how much of a puppet he is to Vladimir Putin.

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#169479 - 12/18/19 05:38 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Shrike1]
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 Originally Posted By: Shrike1
The dire threat to our country comes from the very top of the government. The corrupt, incompetent wannabe dictator like his puppet master, Vladimir Putin.

There may be one FBI agent that winds up in jail for altering a document and that is exactly the punishment he should get. All of these problems with the FISA court were related to the Carter Page warrant and occurred months after the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into the Russian – Trump connections.

The Justice Department's Inspector General says the FBI was justified in opening the investigation in 2016 into suspected ties between U.S. President Donald Trump's election campaign and Russia, saying officials had enough evidence to authorize an inquiry. They would have been negligent if they hadn't done an investigation.

I'm willing to bet Giuliani ends up in jail before any of the top FBI officials like James Comey, McCabe or the lovers trump loves to talk about. Trump, if there's any justice in the world, will be facing possible jail time after he serves his term for being "Individual 1" in the Michael Cohen criminal case. He is serving jail time now, in part, because he followed DT's orders to pay off a porn star. Remember this:

“I pled guilty in federal court to felonies for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in coordination with ‘Individual 1,’” Cohen said, reading from his prepared statement. “And for the record: ‘Individual 1’ is Donald J. Trump.”

Greg


Perhaps he'll go to jail like Clinton did for rape.
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#169480 - 12/18/19 07:01 PM Re: William Webster speaks up [Re: Enright]
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Perhaps he'll go to jail like Clinton did for rape.


You do know that Trump has been accused of rape as well don't you? On more than one occasion. One of which happened to be his ex-wife.

Conservatives lost any moral high ground they thought they had when they accepted Donald Trump as the president.

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