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#169308 - 08/17/19 04:10 PM Global Warming Redux
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In big headlines my newspaper reports “July the hottest month ever.” Below that, it reports that the month was “1.71 degrees higher than the 20th-century average.” I don’t know how much weight a statistician would give to a comparison of one month to an average of 100 months, but there you have it.

According to the Wall Street Journal, during the Obama and Trump administrations, the U.S. has led the world in carbon reductions, energy-related CO2 emissions declining by 14% in the U.S. from 2005 to 2017 (mostly by switching to natural gas from coal) while actually increasing in the world as a whole by 21%.

Over the last 19 years, from June 2000 to June 2019, the global temperature has risen slightly less than one degree, apparently on track for rising a predicted 5 degrees in the 21st Century. Assuming man-made global warming as the cause, and assuming the world’s countries do nothing about it at all, and assuming we stay on target, the world will be warmer by 5 degrees at the end of the century, 4.5 degrees of the warming having come from other countries, 0.5 degrees from the U.S. According to the estimate of one climate scientist, if the U.S. does everything it can to stop global warming, our contribution to it at the end of the century will be 0.3 degrees. There appears to be a lot of brouhaha over 2 tenths of one degree in the U.S. currently, considering that by a 9 to 1 ratio, man-made global warming is the responsibility of the other 194 countries of the world, not the U.S.
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#169309 - 08/17/19 07:09 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: Enright]
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Not only is the use of climate data suspect but the origin of much of the data is unvetted and possibly inaccurate (tree rings, unmaintained bouys, etc.). This article states the data is severely compromised:

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/10/first-a...-boats-on-land/
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#169310 - 08/17/19 10:48 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: Peter McKenna]
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Maybe so, but my essay was aimed at people who more or less accept global warming as fact or probable fact, and aren't swayed by arguments to the contrary.
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#169311 - 08/17/19 11:09 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: Enright]
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I've concluded people that believe in AGW can't be rational about the subject. Most have gotten on the Green New Deal bus, which AOCs ex chief of staff admitted had nothing to do, initially, with the environment, and has been turned over to "New Consensus" for policy refinement (New Consensus, on their homepage idenitfy the GND as a roadmap to "put the means of production into the hands of the workers").

I understand your point but I'm not sure of its intended audience. After all AGW will end the world in 12 years.
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#169314 - 08/20/19 03:42 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: Peter McKenna]
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Good to see that we're firmly staying with referring to this climate brouhaha as Anthropogenic Global Warming. The left has made a concerted effort to re-brand the "crisis" as "climate change", trying to move away from the loaded term AGW, since that term has been linked to a lot of scientific data fraud. Words matter, and we can't let the left try and divert attention from the massive frauds and failures of the AGW crowd.

And the line "put the means of production into the hands of the workers" from "New Consensus" is straight out of the communist playbook. It's very revealing of what AGW believers are REALLY after.

When a group of workers get together independent of a company and form their own business, all of them being owners and all of them taking the same financial risk together, then they can own the means of production. They don't get to wait for some individual, or small group of people, to risk their entire life savings to start a business and then take it away from them after it's successful. That's theft. It's what countries who nationalize industries are doing when they steal business from corporations who came in and originally developed it, taking all the initial risk. Nationalization is also the road to failure, just ask any Argentinian who's not currently in the government and isn't so hungry they can still talk.

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#169318 - 08/23/19 04:19 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: jmill]
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The Global Warming Hoax is officially over:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/22/barack-and-michelle-obama-are-buying-15m-estate-in-marthas-vineyard/
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#169322 - 08/26/19 05:36 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: steele,rick]
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 Originally Posted By: steele,rick


That's hilarious. Or maybe it's just proof that he believes his own BS from his 2008 primary victory speech, where he said, "...this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal". Of course that would put him at odds with Alexandria Occasional Cortex, who has given us only twelve years to live.

Actually, I think it means that he never bought into the AGW hoax in the first place. It was just a convenient political tool to justify the federal government taking over more of the economy, which he attempted to do (and in which he partially succeeded with respect to healthcare).

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#169324 - 08/27/19 12:42 PM Re: Global Warming Redux [Re: jmill]
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Especially when you consider that Martha's Vineyard is essentially a Summer Resort destination. Not too much happens out there in the Winter. Guessing he can schlep over to Hawaii in winter. We were there last month. Saw his Hawaiian neighborhood. Not too much to write home about.
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