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#169238 - 07/19/19 10:54 PM Banned From Twitter
Enright Offline
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Learning more and more about Twitter every day.

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#169360 - 10/02/19 08:23 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: Enright]
jmill Offline
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Apropos of Kamala Harris trying to silence President Trump by getting Twitter to ban his account, below is something I posted on 11/14/2017 about how Twitter has permanently altered the political landscape. Harris's plaintive whine to censor Trump forcefully and unwittingly makes my point for me. Twitter has dethroned a goodly portion of the media from their primacy as purveyors of the "truth", and in my opinion, no politician will be successful without it (or whatever platform ultimately takes its place) as we move forward.

With her call to censorship, Harris is as much as admitting that Trump's Tweets are too effective. She longs for a return to the good old days when Democrats had complete control of the narrative on all things political through their willing accomplices in the media. It galls the left to realize they've finally lost control of the truth, or rather the perception of the truth. It started in the late Eighties with the emergence of conservative talk radio, picked up steam with the advent of the Internet, and has gained full speed with the social media platforms now available. Because of Twitter, Trump doesn't have to beg for space in an op-ed section of any newspaper, he doesn't have to come hat in hand to the networks to schedule an address to the nation, he doesn't have to go on a Sunday morning political talk show to get his opinions and thoughts out to the public. All he has to do is type. There's no way to keep people in the dark any more, and no way to silence them, though Facebook and YouTube and Twitter have made attempts to bury content that does not conform to left-wing orthodoxy.

Here's the blunt truth: Twitter or Twitter-like platforms are here to stay, and Trump has used and will continue to use it like a cudgel to batter left-wing frauds in this country. They're enraged to be forced to swallow a huge, gag-inducing dose of the medicine they have been spooning out to conservatives and their supporters since the Sixties, and as a consequence, they have turned to bullying and violence to try and win the day. I don't believe that their response is going to work, and in fact, it only further damages their credibility.

 Originally Posted By: jmill

"However, I feel that more people voted for Trump because they believed in his policies, e.g., "build that wall," his perceived capacity to fix things that need fixing, and their loathing of Hillary Clinton, than for love of his bombastic rhetoric, or tweets."

None of those reasons for voting for Trump, or supporting him now, are mutually exclusive, and more people than you think are okay with him Tweeting his thoughts, good, bad or indifferent.

This is the first presidency in the history of the United States where we have a pretty good idea where the president stands on almost every issue at all times. Is that a good or bad thing? We won't know for a while yet. Plus, if there wasn't such a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome by not only the usual suspects, i.e. lunatic, proto-fascist left-wingers, but from their supporters in the press as well, all of which amounts to an agenda to destroy a presidency for simple dislike rather than any facts, Trump wouldn't be half as aggressive. There would be no need to constantly be at war if the losers from the last election weren't spoiled children screaming for a redo simply because they lost when they were so sure they were going to win.

The world has shifted. The odds are excellent that presidents from now on will adopt to one degree or another Trump's aggressive use of social media. Why? For the same reason that all politicians ultimately resort to negative campaigning in tight races: because it works. Trump has also shown how astonishingly simple it is to wrest control of the narrative back from the arrogant, disdainful leftists in the mainstream media. No politician could resist (or win office) by ignoring this new paradigm. The lure is too powerful, the potential rewards too great.

We are witnessing the death throes of a press that had become accustomed to their position as priests of the temple, declaring who we must like, and who we must shun as an apostate. They can't cheat nearly as easily as they did in the past, because too many people have the ability to instantly call them out on their dishonesty and partisanship. Never again will they have the ascendancy they enjoyed from the 1960s until fairly recently. They not only shifted radically to the left over the last 50 years, but they got fat and lazy too, thinking they merely had to show up and the game was theirs, which is why there are so few true deep thinkers on the left today. None of their ideas (what few they have) have been battle tested and fine tuned for public consumption. Instead they've been exposed for the haughty sloganeers and party apparatchiks they are, devoid of substance and filled with vitriol. They have nothing to offer Americans other than tired old socialist chestnuts as exemplified by Bernie Sanders, or identity politics as embraced by Hillary Clinton. Their answer to foreign policy issues is to diminish America's role in the world; on the social front to subdivide Americans even unto the molecular level; and on the economic battlefield to surrender to the feel-good slogans and the failed socialist ideas of the likes of Sanders.

Antifa (the new Brownshirts), Black Lives Matter, a plethora of college campus organizations dedicated to silencing free speech at any cost including violence, college professors who wish for white genocide or the death of police officers, young students crying for puppies and safe spaces because their candidate lost: this is the face of today's Democratic Party. Poor old Schumer and Pelosi don't know what to do, don't know where to turn, and the party faithful are too stupid to toss them out on their geriatric ears and install fresh blood in their stead. Back when their party had some politicians with real integrity, a fundamental love of American exceptionalism, and a backbone, the Democrats used to have a viable alternative plan. Now they have nothing but anger and purges on their mind.




Edited by jmill (10/02/19 08:26 PM)

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#169362 - 10/03/19 03:17 AM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: jmill]
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Yep, Twitter and it's nefarious ilk allow pretty much anyone to say pretty much whatever they want regardless of it's respect to the truth or decency. And hundreds of millions of people without working bullshit detectors are addicted to it. What harm could possibly come of that?

I know it's here to stay but that doesn't mean it's a good thing. Both sides will use it equally to promote their distorted hateful "truths" and it'll tear our country apart even further than it already is.

As Dan likes to quote, "I say it's spinach and I say the hell with it."
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#169363 - 10/03/19 04:27 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: springer2]
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Would you rather go back to the NY Times and the network news and their ilk telling you what the truth is, and no way to get any facts other than what they want you to know? We lost the colleges and the journalism schools in the Sixties and Seventies and that led to a golden era for misinformation and major-league left-wing propaganda going unchallenged for years. Twitter (and other social media) are destroying that left-wing stranglehold on the news, despite their own best efforts to censor dissenting conservative thought. No longer can the left operate in the dark.

Having a bullshit detector wasn't enough twenty-five years ago. Unless you listened to talk radio or watched FOX News you literally couldn't get any other version of the political/national/foreign affairs news other than what the left in this country wanted you to see. Wild west show or not, the Democrat propaganda machine has been mortally wounded. Most of us are smart enough to smell the BS, and now we also have a fighting chance to see what the actual truth is, insofar as it can be known.

And I'd rather see the country divided and fighting than watch it blindly, peacefully slide into left-wing groupthink, socialism, and hive-minded disaster, because that's where the Democrats would like to take this country now. Can you imagine how bad it would be if things like the Green New Deal were proposed without anyone loudly and publicly opposing them? There's virtually no opposition to that insanity other than token "conservatives" at the Times or on the network news weakly bleating about it and then rolling over on their backs to pee on themselves in apology. The new technology has actually saved us, at least for the moment. We have a fighting chance to see the what's really going on, to know what the real consequences of these nitwit ideas will be without having to turn into Venezuela first.

If to get this information and have a slim chance to change people's minds about the socialist left-wing garbage being thrown at them means I have to wade through piles of shit and fight every single day of my life, then fine. I have children and grandchildren and a country that I proudly and unashamedly love to think of, and I'll be damned if I'm going to roll over and let it slide into perdition just to have a little peace and quiet.


Edited by jmill (10/03/19 04:31 PM)

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#169365 - 10/03/19 10:14 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: jmill]
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I get what you're saying but I don't see how it's possible to discern the truth from the piles of shit on social media. It just becomes an exercise in finding material that already agrees with your beliefs and then disseminating that as widely as possible, regardless of how accurate it is. Which is the same thing the other side is doing. Which just fosters divide even further than ever with no hope of having a rational conversation in person, let alone online.

When the President of the United States tweets constantly using a third-grade level vocabulary and his opponents reply in-kind with ridiculous levels of vitriol and nonsense with no consequences or accountability, I don't think that's a good thing. It lowers the level of discourse to a shouting match between the two sides, each loved in their own echo chambers and loathed by those who are not.

Maybe it's better than it used to be, maybe not. You think it is, others don't. Either way it sickens and depresses me.
I've long taken a hands-off approach to modern civilization; the rise of social media has just reiterated to me that I made the right choice. I have better things to spend my time on, things that I enjoy doing and have some control over.

Good talking to you again after all these years. How 'bout them Raiders? Antonio Brown is their biggest mistake since JaMarcus Russell. Hahaha. At least they'll be going to Vegas soon.
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#169366 - 10/04/19 01:21 AM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: springer2]
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We'll know a lot more about the Raiders after this Sunday's game. I still have hopes for a .500 season. Brown would be a bigger mistake than Jamarcus Russell if they had paid him. Fortunately he blew up BEFORE the season started, so he may get a few bucks out of the team, but not anywhere near what Russell did, or what Brown THINKS he's going to get with his grievance. Plus, considering just how loopy he is, we're fortunate he didn't spend any more time in the locker room than he did. That dude's a cancer.

I get your point about the river of shit that is social media, but it's the only game in town, unfortunately, and we can't afford to lose. There's too much at stake. You have kids, and I know that you know we have to fight tooth and nail for their future, because no one else will do it. If the Democrats ever return to being the loyal opposition, then we can stand down, and perhaps get back to being civil again. But the extremists on the left have pushed their few remaining moderates completely to the sidelines, and we can't go back to being John McCain or Mitt Romney. Those are the folks who played fair while allowing the rest of us to get bamboozled, and doing just enough to lose. There's no negotiating with the left, not this crop; they won't be satisfied with anything less than total victory. There's no converting them, we simply have to defeat them at every turn, until some semblance of sanity returns to the Democratic Party.

As an aside, I think the Dems are the way they are now because they got spoiled with success, having control of the press and successfully using the courts to legislate on their behalf from the bench for decades. It made then lazy and entitled about winning politically. It's why they're so quick to turn to violence and the politics of personal destruction when they're thwarted. Politics has always been a bloodsport (check out how nasty things were when Lincoln was president!), and right now we're in one of those downswings. The pendulum will swing back eventually, but only if we don't give up and let them win simply because the way we have to fight back is so distasteful. If they win, they'll make permanent changes that will take a REAL revolution to undo, and that would be a huge disaster for this country. Think about it: the Dems would be perfectly happy to undo a valid presidential election out of sheer petulance. They have no ammunition, so now they're simply making shit up, and expecting the rest of us to swallow it without questions.

I think it's a matter of a moderate amount of pain now, or an absolute horror show later. I prefer the former to the latter for all of our sakes. Good talking with you again Springer!

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#169368 - 10/05/19 07:17 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: jmill]
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Well put but the game is still on. Harris threatens to beat up Big Tech and they still pour money on her. These people aren't stupid, just nasty. So I'm sure they will bend to her will and fight Trump.
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#169376 - 10/09/19 10:36 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: jmill]
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The whole situation is such a mess. I've never been a fan of either side, but I'm definitely a lot less of a fan of the left, particularly now that they are riding the rails of the socialism train. To be fair, the religious right drives me crazy too; I'm no fan of blind faith. But blind faith definitely beats faith in a system that is proven time and time again to be disastrous.

But I simply can't get behind Trump in any way, shape or form. I see him as a childish, selfish, immature bully who has gotten away with murder his entire life, to the point where he thinks he alone has the answer for everyone else. In short, he acts exactly like the far-left democrats, he just happens to have run for President (and won, clearly) as a Republican.

Now, the argument that the above makes him no different than any other politician is a sound one; he isn't. But that doesn't make him a good president.

And while, clearly, he's done some good things while in office, he can't keep a Cabinet together, he's touted every conspiracy cock-eyed theory in the book to the point of recklessness, he's pandered to the worst of us, he's announced rash decisions on twitter seemingly without consulting anyone, everything is always someone else's fault, every attack on him is an attack on the Republican party--or democracy itself--he's alienated basically everyone in the intelligence community, and he's jettisoned anyone who disagrees with him on any level to the point of being surrounded only by yes men.

In short, he acts far more like an unhinged monarch than a President of the United States, and while I firmly oppose the rise of the socialist left, I cannot help but find myself hoping that some how, some way, Donald Trump is no longer the President after our next election.

Of course, I can't say that any of the other most-likely candidates for the position are any better, which is why I tend to stay out of the political fray for the most part.

I'm certainly not trying to change anybody's mind, or even get into a lengthy discussion about the current political landscape. I don't have the time or energy to fret over a broken system that I can't do anything to fix. But it's been fun to engage on this forum at least a little bit. It takes me back to the old days when we had a plethora of spirited discussions on here.
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#169377 - 10/10/19 01:48 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: springer2]
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As a conspiracy theorist, I'll be enthusiastically supporting Donald Trump in 2020 because, for one reason, there has been a distracting, frenzied, three-year, deep-state conspiracy and cover-up to remove a sitting president of the United States – a duly elected president – by extra-electoral means. The last thing we should do is reward this dangerous sort of political hysteria, lest it become even more common.

Edited by Enright (10/10/19 01:53 PM)
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#169378 - 10/10/19 02:30 PM Re: Banned From Twitter [Re: springer2]
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For me it's a pretty stark choice: either reelect Trump, or go down the rabbit hole with any of the Democrat candidates, including Biden. I can't let that happen.

Trump's peccadilloes are, for the most part, irrelevant to the running of the country. His ego and bombast doesn't result in unsound policy with respect to:
  • ECONOMY - The trade war with China was inevitable, it's basically a facet of the new Cold War, and Trump isn't rolling over like a Dem would. The stock market is near all-time highs, and the repeated threats of coming recession sound more like politics to me than anything else. More people are employed than at any time in history, with unemployment in the black and Hispanic communities at all-time lows, manufacturing has increased, there’s a new trade deal with Canada and Mexico (if the Dems in Congress would get off their fat asses and pass it instead of obsessing over their impeachment lies). Trump knows what to do with our economy. The Dems policy ideas would bring things crashing down.
  • IMMIGRATION - There are now several hundred miles of new border wall with more on the way, that caravan insanity has been squashed, the detention centers are now back down to “normal” capacities, illegal captures are down because fewer people are illegally entering the US, hearings on asylum are becoming more streamlined. Once again, if the Dems in Congress would get off their asses, we could have comprehensive immigration reform, including ending the anchor baby nonsense and putting a merit-based immigration policy in place. A Dem president would undo all the good work that Trump has done on immigration, much like Obama undid a lot of the good work in the Middle East.
  • FOREIGN POLICY - I don't like the Turks under Erdogan getting up a head of steam, but we'll see how the Syria thing plays out. I was all for fixing the Middle East, but it’s been seventeen years, and Israel is still the only democratic republic over there, so maybe we let them kill each other again for a while. On the way to this point, he crushed ISIS where Obama dithered. Our military is being built back up after eight years of total neglect under Obama. Trump’s taking on the Chinese cybersecurity threat, and doing something about their impending military dominance of space. He’s reaffirmed the connection with Eastern Europe that Obama practically destroyed. And just as important, no more apologizing to the rest of the world for our success, which only made us look weak and emboldened bad actors.
  • DOMESTIC POLICY - Fifty-three (or is it now sixty-eight) genders? Green New Deal? Wealth taxes? Tear down Jefferson, Lincoln and Washington memorials and monuments? Adopt propagandized versions of history like Howard Zinn's A People's History? Followers of Saul Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals? That’s what a Democratic America would look like: more division, more class warfare, more stultifying of free speech, more left-wingers on college campuses destroying our kids’ minds, more destruction of any moral standards whatsoever. And don’t forget the havoc the Green New Deal insanity would wreak on our economy, and the continued slide to socialism and ultimately communism that all Dem candidates for president will facilitate. And don't forget their plans to pack the Supreme Court, let sixteen-year olds vote, do away with the Electoral College, treat our Constitution like a living document, and put judges in office who legislate from the bench instead of simply adhering to the law and the Constitution.
And finally, I can't countenance electing members of a party who call for the impeachment of a duly elected president for nothing more than their dislike of him and anger at having lost an election they thought they were entitled to win. The rules are very clear, and very explicit about impeachment: high crimes and misdemeanors. Trump has committed no crime and no misdemeanors. This is stark evidence of how the Dems view our rules and our Constitution: as so much TP with which to wipe their behinds if it suits their purposes. The Democratic Party is in need of a major overhaul, including dissolution if they are incapable of reforming themselves back into being loyal Americans, and, when they are out of power, the loyal opposition. They should have no place in their tent for people who hate America and wish to see it demeaned, lessened and ultimately destroyed for no other reason than that they feel guilty about its success. Let those kooks go and live with all the other kooks, like the LaRouche adherents, in their fringe parties with their bizarre and unhinged thinking.


Edited by jmill (10/10/19 02:36 PM)

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