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#169184 - 06/11/19 04:58 PM The Real Issue Is Not Free Speech
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0GL_4cAkhI

In about three minutes, beginning at 36.06 minutes into this video, and ending at around 39:38 minutes, Jordan Peterson sums up the matter in a nutshell.

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#169185 - 06/11/19 06:33 PM Re: The Real Issue Is Not Free Speech [Re: Bontrager]
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Jordan Peterson is an amazing thinker. It's interesting how circumstances thrust him into the spotlight, and brave of him to accept the burden that he now bears.

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#169196 - 06/16/19 06:45 AM Re: The Real Issue Is Not Free Speech [Re: jmill]
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 Originally Posted By: jmill

Jordan Peterson is an amazing thinker. It's interesting how circumstances thrust him into the spotlight, and brave of him to accept the burden that he now bears.
I couldn't agree more. It's one thing to be smart - and this guy blows me away in that department - but being at the forefront of sociopolitical controversy is a burden greater than most people realize. You're no longer the grey man - the guy who hides in back and gets along - now you're suddenly a "controversial thinker" by virtue of disagreeing with hegemonic thought, and as such liable to be attacked from all sides. And by default you become a leader. You become the focal point of all those who hate what you espouse and all those who love it, and once you're on that treadmill you can either run and hide or rip your shirt off and pound your chest. Peterson did the latter and that takes real guts.
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#169197 - 06/16/19 06:42 PM Re: The Real Issue Is Not Free Speech [Re: ScottSA]
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Thanks for posting. Peterson is a remarkable person whose voice I only discovered last year. In his book "12 Rules for Life", rule #9, he wrote that one should always"assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't." In todays world that is a remarkable feat but well worth keeping in mind.
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#169199 - 06/17/19 06:19 PM Re: The Real Issue Is Not Free Speech [Re: Ward]
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An interesting aspect to this is not just the courage it takes to stand up, but also the demonstration of the power one man who refuses to bow down can wield. And on top of that, Peterson is extraordinarily respectful of his position and humble about it. He's made a powerful and positive impact on the debate.

Of course, because he is truthful and effective, the left is trying to discredit him, call him a hatemonger, a homophobe, a misogynist, a fascist, a right-winger (he's actually a bit left of center personally), a racist, and anything else they can think of to try and destroy him. After hearing dozens of speeches by him, on YouTube and in other venues, I can confidently declare that those charges are utterly baseless, and are in fact pernicious lies. In the video above that Enright/Bontrager posted, he clearly defines what the lines are between rational, decent thinking (right or left) and how to identify the extremists on either side of the debate who are clearly out of bounds.

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