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#169053 - 05/08/19 01:44 PM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: ScottSA]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottSA
In other words you agree with the sentiment, thereby rendering it subjectively smart?
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Therefore it makes rational sense, and she has the courage to base her policies on facts and logic even if she will be called the dumbest person ever for doing so. I'd definitely call that being smart.

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#169055 - 05/08/19 02:09 PM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: Silence]
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Oh. My.

Blast from the past: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/proj...conomic-fallout

They gave Obama a Nobel Prize, too, right after he was elected. Before he and Hillary turned Libya into a failed state (and funneled Khaddaffi's arms to ISIS in Syria) and backed that putsch in Ukraine (still in the bloody grip of civil war).

Is Paul Krugman smart? I am sure he is. Is he right? That is another question. And smart and wise are not at all the same thing, either.

Thank you kindly for the explanation. I appreciate it.


Edited by AuntJobiska (05/08/19 02:09 PM)
Edit Reason: Spell check is an invention of the devil

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#169061 - 05/09/19 01:15 AM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: AuntJobiska]
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When someone supports policies that poll at around 70%, they are not radical socialist communist evil lefties, they are just centrists representing the will of the overwhelming majority of Americans
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#169062 - 05/09/19 09:56 AM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: Silence]
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What polls at 70%?

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#169064 - 05/09/19 10:13 AM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: jmill]
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If you're talking about Medicare for all, then you haven't been paying attention. There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics, and that 70% figure is just another of those statistics. You have fallen prey to first-question fever. You have to see what the push question does to the polling before you can figure anything out, and after respondents to polls on medicare for all are told what will actually happen if it is implemented, support plummets. People aren't stupid, but there are plenty of misleading polls about what they think out there. Don't be a newb about politics, especially polling. And if you're going to hang your hat on Krugman, explain this from 2016:

"It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?

Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear.

Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never."

Three years into the Trump presidency, markets are at all-time highs. Apparently you haven't been paying close attention to Krugman's fall from grace. The only people that listen to him now are the America-hating left-wingers at the NYTimes looking for anti-conservative, anti-Trump anti-Republican propaganda.

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#169065 - 05/09/19 11:23 AM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: jmill]
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In modern times, at least, Nobel Prizes are not always awarded strictly on merits. Political and ideological leanings are a large factor. As an appeal to authority, a Nobel Prize just doesn't do it for me.
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#169066 - 05/09/19 11:34 AM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: Mike F]
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Yes, JMill, you are correct. If you can't manage to Google it yourself, Silence, here is the AP article about how support drops to 26% - 32% in that very same poll when the cost is counted.

https://www.apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169

It's sort of like an ad getting clicks from 70% of those who see it because it promises to send you something for free "just pay shipping and handling," but only 26-32% actually go through with the order when they see the shipping and handling adds up to more than the thing costs at the corner store and will not arrive for six weeks (and all of them are using a "free" debit card issued by the government).

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#169070 - 05/09/19 01:51 PM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: Silence]
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are you serious?
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#169072 - 05/09/19 03:57 PM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: AuntJobiska]
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 Originally Posted By: AuntJobiska
Yes, JMill, you are correct. If you can't manage to Google it yourself, Silence, here is the AP article about how support drops to 26% - 32% in that very same poll when the cost is counted.

https://www.apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169

It's sort of like an ad getting clicks from 70% of those who see it because it promises to send you something for free "just pay shipping and handling," but only 26-32% actually go through with the order when they see the shipping and handling adds up to more than the thing costs at the corner store and will not arrive for six weeks (and all of them are using a "free" debit card issued by the government).


This website presents more information on this topic:

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opi...icare-coverage/

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#169078 - 05/09/19 08:27 PM Re: There Is No Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez [Re: Silence]
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 Originally Posted By: Silence
 Originally Posted By: AuntJobiska
Yes, JMill, you are correct. If you can't manage to Google it yourself, Silence, here is the AP article about how support drops to 26% - 32% in that very same poll when the cost is counted.

https://www.apnews.com/4516833e7fb644c9aa8bcc11048b2169

It's sort of like an ad getting clicks from 70% of those who see it because it promises to send you something for free "just pay shipping and handling," but only 26-32% actually go through with the order when they see the shipping and handling adds up to more than the thing costs at the corner store and will not arrive for six weeks (and all of them are using a "free" debit card issued by the government).


This website presents more information on this topic:

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opi...icare-coverage/
That information simply restates your position without addressing the points everyone else has brought up. Locally, we are bombarded with statistics that x% don't mind paying $3 more on their annual tax bill to support [insert white elephant of choice]. It's easy to inflate x to near 100% of respondents on the question. After all, everyone wants a white elephant, and what's $3? The cost of a pop, right? (see Alexis de Tocqueville for more info)

Of course as soon as they see that the $3 in question is added to the many other $3 they don't mind paying, their opinion of the white elephant becomes quite different.
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