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#168304 - 07/03/18 11:19 AM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: jmill]
AuntJobiska Offline
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The real kicker is it was the unanimous vote. Creepy. Librarians in lockstep.

I am to this day haunted by Mrs. Andrews, my elementary school librarian, whenever I read. Sit up ramrod straight, both feet flat on the floor, turn the pages carefully, no dogears, no licking your fingers! And never, ever, break the spine of a book! I wonder if there are still any school librarians like her.

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#168306 - 07/03/18 08:40 PM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: AuntJobiska]
jmill Offline
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I remember when you used to have to be quiet in a library. Now just about anything goes, including urine-smelling winos snoring in the cushy library chairs. I don't go to the county library anymore because of that. It's a shame, because I learned so much there, and I was unable to pass the library habit on to my children. They read, but none visit the public library. Perhaps the day of the public library is over.

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#168308 - 07/05/18 07:05 AM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: jmill]
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My kids actively use the public library downtown , at least once a week. It's still flourishing some places!
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#168309 - 07/05/18 09:21 AM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: cshl]
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I'm glad to hear that. The world has changed so much, with the availability of books online, but there's nothing like being in a place with tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of books. It changes your mindset, somehow.

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#168331 - 07/25/18 09:13 AM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: jmill]
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Getting literary advice from GQ seems foolish. A bit like asking a three-year-old for advice on driving.
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#168336 - 07/25/18 11:42 PM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: AuntJobiska]
Dan Simmons Administrator Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
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Loc: Colorado
 Originally Posted By: AuntJobiska
The real kicker is it was the unanimous vote. Creepy. Librarians in lockstep.

I am to this day haunted by Mrs. Andrews, my elementary school librarian, whenever I read. Sit up ramrod straight, both feet flat on the floor, turn the pages carefully, no dogears, no licking your fingers! And never, ever, break the spine of a book! I wonder if there are still any school librarians like her.


Auntie --

I'm one. Not a librarian (although I've accompanied a lot of elementary classes to the school library over the years), but I agree with Mrs. Andrews. My motto is and always has been -- "Better to break the spine of a man than of a book."

DS

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#168337 - 07/25/18 11:51 PM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: jmill]
Dan Simmons Administrator Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
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Loc: Colorado
 Originally Posted By: jmill

I remember when you used to have to be quiet in a library. Now just about anything goes, including urine-smelling winos snoring in the cushy library chairs. I don't go to the county library anymore because of that. It's a shame, because I learned so much there, and I was unable to pass the library habit on to my children. They read, but none visit the public library. Perhaps the day of the public library is over.


John --

This has been a great concern for me as well. Our little town (100,000 or so folks) has always had a really great library (better than neighboring Boulder. CO's push-buttons-watch-videos expensive library, I think). Karen was on the Library Board for years and also headed up the Friends of the Library book sales and other money raisers; I taught seminars there worked on committees (future library technologies, etc.), and was invited to head up book-discussion groups. All worth the effort.

But, yes, the place is now a hangout for the town's ever-increasing swarms of the homeless and helpless (hey, we now have legal pot shops every two blocks or less) and the place has become nervous-making and it smells. Even the truly wonderful children's book- and reading-area has been invaded.

But the city has hired an intervention specialist (read female cop with no gun) to deal with those new town citizens who are sleeping off their drunk in the library stacks and pooping on the lawn. The library now has the ability to ban anyone who's being truly obnoxious, such as -- say -- downloading porn via the library's overused computers, often used by, ah, undocumented immigrants who call home that way every day -- but especially anyone who's threatening patrons (of any age) in any way. The ban can be 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, or permanent. (And it helps that the city police station and jail is right across the street.)

It's not a true solution to bringing libraries back to the wonderful resource and space they used to be, not all that many years ago, but I think it's a start.

ds

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#168341 - 07/26/18 02:31 PM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: Dan Simmons]
jmill Offline
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Good luck to your library, Dan, I hope they are successful.

The library in my hometown was a lifesaver for me. I learned so much there as a kid. It was a place of learning, and I always felt a little bit like I was going to church when I stepped inside. My first library card was my most prized possession. Just being around what felt like all the knowledge in the world was empowering - and not in the silly, politically-correct sense that term is used by so many different interest groups these days, but in the sense that there wasn't anything I couldn't do, there wasn't anything I couldn't be, because the knowledge to do it was right there at my fingertips. All I had to do was take the book down off the shelf and read - what an amazing opportunity!

Folks will argue that the knowledge is available at my fingertips now in the form of the Internet, and they are correct, to a degree. But nothing can replace that sacred feeling of being in the presence of greatness that all those thousands and thousands of books engendered in me. It's a crying shame that I couldn't pass that experience on to my kids.

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#168348 - 07/29/18 07:28 AM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: jmill]
cshl Offline
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 Originally Posted By: jmill

Folks will argue that the knowledge is available at my fingertips now in the form of the Internet, and they are correct, to a degree. But nothing can replace that sacred feeling of being in the presence of greatness that all those thousands and thousands of books engendered in me. It's a crying shame that I couldn't pass that experience on to my kids.


I agree wholeheartedly. I feel a deep reverence upon entering a good library -- or possibly an outstanding bookstore, to be honest -- and it is unlike any other feeling. It is sacred in nature.
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#168423 - 09/19/18 04:07 PM Re: 21 Books You Don't Have to Read [Re: cshl]
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Ben Shapiro on the 21 Books:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkam_v97dxA
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